(if I make the point poorly then let me try to sum it up. If you have the capacity to feel then you have a limit to what you suffer and endure against your will. Beyond this limit you’ll be suicidal. This is the competency of a mind that has the capacity to feel to feel suicidal when a line that cannot be crossed has been crossed. It’s exactly this rational and natural to feel suicidal if you have the capacity to feel. If you don’t have the capacity to feel – if you are not weak – then you will never be suicidal and you will never need the mercy and protection of assisted suicide.)
I have another post I’m working on in response to the following post linked to below.
https://www.mydeath-mydecision.org.uk/info/issues/curable-depression-or-misery/
One thing the author is arguing for is the possibility that some…I think specifically they believe certain reasons to die are understandable thus not mental illnesses.
Bereavement is the example of how mental suffering that presents exactly as the clinical diagnostic criteria for depression expects the symptoms of depression to be it is not a mental illness. The suffering of grief is argued to be natural and understandable thus it’s not a mental illness thus it’s not the product of a defective brain and a defective mind.
Throughout the movement for the legalisation of assisted suicide there is a common theme of “for mentally competent minds” or something similar. There is also a division in the movement for the legalisation of assisted suicide where some believe that certain reasons to die are acceptable reasons to grant access to assisted suicide.
The link above is from an organisation that believes in rational suicide in old age. Implicitly they are saying elderly individuals who choose to die are making a rational choice to die so it’s not a mental illness that’s why they want to die. Instead it’s an understandable set of thoughts and feelings the elderly have who choose to die prematurely.
In the post above or elsewhere on their site they talk about “life being complete” as a rational state of mind that deserves access to assisted suicide. It is an understandable reason to die thus it is deemed to be a rational choice thus it is not a mental illness – I think is the logical steps the author is using.
This is the logic of the dehumanisation of suicidal individuals and the denigration of the validity of the suicidal mind the author has so well expressed. The author is arguing for and against this but only against it for a specific classification of suicidal individuals. The author’s argument is based on the perception of the rationality and how understandable the reason to die is that defines in their mind a sanctioned suicide thus access to a good death should be provided. The author mentions other elements of the acceptable or unacceptable criteria for access to assisted suicide but I do believe primarily they are talking about concepts and dehumanisation based on the theory and the lie of mental illness.
They are talking about the competency of the mind as a criteria for evaluating what is an understandable reason to die but competency based on the understanding of the mind as different from the mind of someone labelled as mentally ill. Their understanding of the mind and the reason or reasons to die means the individual is not mentally ill – I think the author makes this point explicitly and implicitly. Whereas if they do not have understanding or empathy for the reasons to die then the suicidal thoughts and feelings are from a mentally ill mind thus a defective mind.
(Doubtless the author has other criteria for judging what’s a sanctioned suicide but it’s the specificity of the concepts of dehumanisation used throughout the existence of psychiatry they are using to denigrate the validity of the will to die as the product of a mental illness that’s what they are arguing for and against but only against for reasons to die and mental suffering they perceive with understanding and empathy.
Who do they work for?
The things I am trying to build upon are foundations quite different and in opposition to the fundamentals of psychiatry and mental health care.
What the author has done and no doubt better than I can do is to humanise a specific group of suicidal individuals. This is the antithesis of psychiatry to humanise any suicidal individuals. But the author is making a distinction between a suicidal mind that is part of the spectrum of understandable normality and a mentally ill suicidal mind. They also mention bereavement which though it might present within the accepted clinical diagnostic criteria for the mental illness depression it is not classed as the mental illness depression. I assume if the author was presented with brain scans showing a difference between those who are miserable because of bereavement and those who are normal (not miserable/sad/unhappy/in mental pain) he would argue that it is obvious that grief is not a mental illness. If these brain differences are the same differences as in those labelled with depression then I assume the author would still argue that grief is not a mental illness.
Grief it is understandable misery so it is not the mental illness depression. I think this is what the author is saying.. Grief is a rational response whereas as a mental illness is not irrespective of whether the presentation of grief fits within the diagnostic criteria for the mental illness depression or if brain scans demonstrate a biological difference.
The author’s mind and logic defines the divides in the movement for the legalisation of assisted suicide as well as the fear of the “slippery slope” in the minds and logic of those who are anti suicide. The divide is based on the lie of mental illness and the dehumanisation of this false paradigm.
I have a different approach and a different foundation: it’s too awful to become suicidal and stay suicidal. I speak from vast amounts of personal experience of suicidal suffering, feelings and thoughts. It’s what I have to humanise suicidal individuals that the human race has so generously given me so much personal experience of.
It is simply to recognise that if you face the same suicidal thoughts and feelings you can’t bear to live. It’s irrespective of the reason or reasons to die that’s how you have empathy and understanding for suicidal individuals. The same level of suffering, the same feelings of being so far beyond the limit to what you can suffer and endure against your will. The same hopelessness and powerlessness and despair when facing unlimited suffering and unlimited cruelty. When you face these things yourselves you will understand it is universally beyond awful to feel suicidal and face what’s worse than death irrespective of the reason to die.
My bad self does inside judge some reasons to die as more powerful reasons than others. But my less bad self knows that it is not the reason to die that defines the validity and rationality of the suicidal mind. It is the feelings and thoughts if suicidal individuals that if you faced them you would want to die too – this is the universality of the validity of the suicidal mind. This is at the same time an extremely obvious truth that if you face the same suicidal suffering, feelings and thoughts a suicidal individual faces then you would want the same thing as a suicidal individual wants but it’s also a truth that has never prevailed before or affected what can and can’t be done to a suicidal individual. It’s an anti-psychiatry truth because it’s about humanisation and the empathy and understanding of humanisation that’s the opposite of what the prevail of psychiatry has created.
Let me try to persuade you.
Three examples of reasons to die
- Unrequited or lost love
- Loneliness and being a victim of social exclusion
- Life is meaningless
I understand the pain in all of these reasons to die beyond the reason to die. Those who are labelled with mental illness I do believe are more likely to face such reasons to die but I do not believe in the lie of mental illness.
What I know from so much personal experience so expertly given to me by the monsters who call themselves the human race is the pain and sheer horrific awfulness of feeling suicidal. This is the point. For the purposes of understanding and the validation of the suicidal mind the reason or reasons to die do not matter. If you experience the suicidal thoughts and feelings as a suicidal individual does you would choose to die – that’s the truth.
(Obviously for attempts to end the suicidality of a suicidal individual the reason to die is vital…but again such a sense of care that uses the information about what makes a suicidal individual want to die it cannot come from the basis of care that’s the lie of mental illness. Thus drugs are the primary recourse used by those who think the lie of mental illness is not a lie.)
Let me say it again
If you experience the suicidal thoughts and feelings as a suicidal individual does you would choose to die – that’s the truth.
This the basis of the humanisation of suicidal individuals as is the foundation of truth that it’s simply too awful to become suicidal and stay suicidal.
When dying is better than living I can’t in all good conscience make a divide between how awful it is to lose the will to live or to face what’s worse than death or being so far beyond the limit to what an individual can suffer and endure.
(Of course the feelings might be resolved quickly or solutions found. But equally things can get so much worse beyond becoming suicidal. These possibilities don’t take away from the natural quality of feeling suicidal and do not affect the judgement of just how beyond awful it is to become suicidal and stay suicidal. It is however important to me for the competency to care to be demonstrated to a suicidal individual which is an expectation that is fundamentally anti-psychiatry and based on the humanisation of suicidal individuals. It gives suicidal individuals power to have this expectation whereas the purpose of the lie of mental illness is to make suicidal individuals face even more powerlessness than the powerlessness that makes dying such a great solution.)
While I might not fully understand every single reason to die this is only because of my faults and failures to understand the wide diversity of mental suffering and mental diversity that’s why I fail to fully understand every reason to die as natural and rational and worthy – that’s my incompetency.
The decision to die is always understandable and rational. Not by the reason to die but by the thoughts and feelings of suicidal individuals which if you face you would choose to die too.
When you are so far beyond the limit to what you can suffer and endure you will want to die. When you face what’s worse than death – something that is quite individual what defines what is worse than death to you – you will want to die. When you face unlimited suffering and unlimited cruelty you will understand why there’s no care without assisted suicide.
When you face it you’ll understand.
This is the gift the monsters who call themselves the human race have given me. I face so much suicidality and so many reasons to die I have the truth about the awfulness of becoming suicidal and staying suicidal and I recognise just how beyond awful it is irrespective of the reason to die or any other characteristics of the suicidal mind.
(And from these personal experiences the monsters who call themselves the human race have so generously gifted me with I know I live amongst a species of monsters born and bred evil.)
I know every single decision to die is natural and rational. You’d want the same thing if you face what a suicidal individual faces not by the reason to die but by the empathy you should already have had had the lie of mental illness not prevailed for centuries.
Let me reinforce the point.
While I might not fully understand every single reason to die this is only because of my faults and failures to understand the wide diversity of mental suffering and mental diversity that’s why I fail to fully understand every reason to die.
It is in the statement above that I believe defines the problem with incompetent minds. The incompetency of minds who need the lie of mental illness to care. It only exists because of the incompetency of the minds of the monsters who call themselves the human race to understand the wide diversity of mental suffering and mental diversity by humanisation, by understanding the diversity of the mind like you now recognise the wide and natural diversity of gender or ethnicity or sexuality by equality.*
(* Look at the history of evil and cruelty and prejudice and each one of these parts of mental diversity have faced oppression and subjugation and discrimination based on biological differences misrepresented as defects. Women have less capable brains. Black skinned individuals should be slaves. Because they are sub human based on misrepresentation of biological differences as defecits. Homosexuals were victims of psychiatry.)
It is not the reason to die you should need to recognise the horrific awfulness of feeling suicidal. It is knowing it is too awful to become suicidal and stay suicidal. It’s knowing if you faced the thoughts and feelings – the awfulness of the pain of a suicidal individual – you would make the same choice to escape what’s worse than death.
To sanction a suicide there are certain criteria that might be important to you when you are suicidal but to sanction a suicide the reason to die should be irrelevant for this reason: it’s too awful to become suicidal and stay suicidal. You can’t care without the truth.
You only bear what I am put through by being forced to live until it happens to you. You only bear the constancy and inexorable progress of my suicidality until it happens to someone you care about like yourself.
The reason to die for lost love it has everything in common with grief. But it’s the awfulness of suicidal thoughts and feelings that should guide you in the universality of the validity of what’s worth dying for and worth dying to escape from. Loneliness too is a good reason to die. Life is meaningless and pointless – some bear this so lightly whereas others bear it so heavily that it’s a life worse than death. These three reasons to die I assume are experienced by those who the author is arguing do deserve access to assisted suicide but whereas the author specified a difference between these acceptable reasons to die are the product of a competent mind I believe all suicidality are the natural product of a competent mind. If for no other reason than if you have the capacity to feel then you have a limit to the suffering and cruelty you can suffer and endure against your will.
Of course there might be other criteria for access to assisted suicide. But to judge one reason to die as valid whereas another is not valid it is only the product of the consistent dehumanisation of the suicidal mind and other victims of psychiatry.
It is universally beyond awful what suicidal individuals face. This is the absolute best truth I can give you.
(I imagine one of the monsters who call themselves the human race reading this and thinking “we already know just how beyond awful it is to feel suicidal” and I know you don’t recognise how awful it is to become suicidal and stay suicidal. Because the protections of suicidal individuals how the weak are meant to be protected are yet to be invented. I know from so many personal experiences the monsters who call themselves the human race have so generously gifted me with that they have never cared about a suicidal individual before. There is no will to protect suicidal individuals in a humane way and how the weak are meant to be protected. There’s no will to make further and worsening of suicidality avoidable yet, yet this objective is as fundamental to the protection of the weak as assisted suicide is. The competency to care doesn’t exist yet.)
(I do wonder if I’m just facing the prejudices against the act of suicide. These Christian prejudices became enforced by psychiatry. Because the monsters who call themselves the human race can’t do anything else. The prevail of incompetent minds who don’t have the competency to recognise that there are things that are worse than death and that’s what being suicidal is about. It’s all about recognising that death isn’t the worst thing that can happen to you – again an obvious truth but it’s never prevailed before.)
(What happens when suicidality keeps on going? – every single day the devil’s own prove the answer to this question in this generation of the monsters who call themselves the human race
a thing that defines the competency to care 